Did Jesus See Judas First?

Had an interesting ponder today. I heard some people reading a church creed that said in part that after Jesus resurrected, he first saw a woman, then Peter, then the 12 Disciples...

oops.  That should be eleven disciples - since Judas was dead from suicide.

Then I thought, wait, Judas went to the regions of the lost and Jesus went to preach to the those that  booboo'd in their day .. so did Jesus see Judas, have a discussion, then in Paradise Jesus saw the thief on the cross .. or vice versa .. or versa vice ..

As Jesus was dying on the cross :
Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

After Jesus died on the cross :
1 Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, ... being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

In many ways, Jesus and Judas were very similar to Abel and Cain .. twins per se.

As mentioned before, Elohim (God) likes twins. He starts with night and day. He then has Adam and a Serpent. He then allows Abel and Cain. There is believer and unbeliever. Then Isaac and Ishmael. Then Jacob and Esau. And the big showdown, Jesus and Judas. Then arrives Pentecost with those with the Spirit of God IN them, and those without GodSpirit in them.

So it is quite possible that Judas, "who was of the evil one" was the version of Cain.
John 6:70 "Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"

I can see how some 'one on one' communication happened after Jesus died.. 

It's an interesting thought to think that Jesus confronted Judas on the other side and explained what it all was about. 

Now this story in Luke 16 told by Jesus is not about Judas, but the story does show there is room for communication between Jesus and Judas before Jesus resurrects :
Luke 16:23 "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.  24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. .."

I don't know when Judas was or is judged. Is he in a burning fire hell now? I don't know. But I do know is that NOTHING is worse than being totally separated from God.  Jesus, the human, shows that on the cross when He cries out to God, "Why have you forsaken me!?" Matthew 27:46 "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"  Which I also think was a repeat of what Lucifer cried when God kicked him out of Heaven.  Lucifer, then Cain cried, then Jesus Cried, and I suspect Judas cried.. There is NOTHING worse than being cast away completely by Elohim,God.

This is who Jesus saw after the resurrection. They also say "12 Disciples". But Judas is DOA.
"According to the Bible, many people saw Jesus after his resurrection, including the apostles, Mary Magdalene, and other women.  People who saw Jesus after the resurrection :    
Mary Magdalene: The Bible says that Jesus first appeared to Mary Magdalene  
Other women: Mary, the mother of James and Joses, was a witness to Jesus' resurrection 
The apostles: Peter, the 12 disciples, and the other apostles saw Jesus 
James: Jesus' half-brother, James, saw Jesus after the resurrection 
Cleopas and another disciple: These two men saw Jesus on the road to Emmaus 
More than 500 people: Paul says that more than 500 people saw Jesus at the same time 

That is a lot of witnesses. 

Judas was replaced. Matthias was voted in (Acts 1:25, 26) after Jesus Christ ascended up into the cloud. It was just before Pentecost – Acts 2:26 (KJV) “And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.”  This was after the resurrection.  

So the creed and googleAI said Jesus went to the 12 Disciples. If you count the future Matthias, I suppose that would be accurate. However... Matthias was not directly appointed by Jesus anywhere in Scripture, and.. he was never mentioned again in the Bible.

Jesus did say, John 6:70 "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?". This verse refers to Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus and committed suicide and was sent to whatever bad region made for him.

Did Jesus meet Judas for a talk?  I think it is quite possible. I even think Jesus went at least one step lower than satan himself.  God will never owe anyone. Since God was in charge of this whole Plan.. then God takes full responsibility.  Even satan will not be able to say, "But God, you don't understand what I'm going through!"  .. And God would say, "Yes I do." 

I'll ponder this more...

tbc...

This is what I believe.. comma,

T.H.Tatman
GodComma.com

P.S. just saw this.  Paul even write, "1Co 15:4 - And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 15:5 - And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve..."  Wonder if Paul knew about Judas? Interesting

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